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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #850 on: November 15, 2020, 10:08:59 PM »
Kapittel labeled Abt (which is their tripel) but most likely the Prior since the label states 9% and its brown in color.

Label is notched Best before D 12 09. Most likely 2009, so I’ll guess somewhere between 2004-06 bottling.

It’s a lighter body beer but still doing well for the age. Can smell some aged malts but not olllldddd and undrinkable cardboard. Some sweetness and nuttiness to it.

For $3.50, well worth it. 

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #851 on: November 16, 2020, 12:32:15 AM »
Mystic Old Powderhouse 11% wheat wine from 2016.

Meh. Generic, characterless big beer. Except you can taste the age. Not much more to say.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #852 on: December 02, 2020, 09:29:16 PM »
Buxton Special Reserve Bomba Generation 4 from 2014.

This is an interesting beer. It uses a 1978 strain of Courage Brettanomyces yeast. I am a big fan of traditional English beers with brett (e.g., Burton Bridge Empire Pale Ale). It is definitely bretty and fruity and still English in nature.  A bit sour as well, which I could have had less of. The body could be thicker.

I'd buy another one and wait till 2024 for funsies.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #853 on: December 15, 2020, 10:34:51 AM »


Hope the pic works as it can suck for google photos and I might have to move it.  3 out of 4 got drainpoured.  Only CWBBBW was consumed in entirty.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #854 on: December 15, 2020, 10:41:01 AM »


Hope the pic works as it can suck for google photos and I might have to move it.  3 out of 4 got drainpoured.  Only CWBBBW was consumed in entirty.

I can see the pic.  That sucks about the Pannepot.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #855 on: December 15, 2020, 12:33:31 PM »


Hope the pic works as it can suck for google photos and I might have to move it.  3 out of 4 got drainpoured.  Only CWBBBW was consumed in entirty.

I can see the pic.  That sucks about the Pannepot.
:goodposting: :(

I bought all the 2014 I could, it was a great vintage that was unique from others i've had. Oldest was either a 2008-2009 at Kulminator, maybe BL remembers exactly.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #856 on: December 15, 2020, 03:04:07 PM »
The Pannepot tasted like pennies.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #857 on: December 15, 2020, 03:55:11 PM »
  Only CWBBBW was consumed in entirty.

good to know

have a few of these that i think may get passed down to my grandkids at this rate  :mellow:
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #858 on: December 15, 2020, 05:13:04 PM »
  Only CWBBBW was consumed in entirty.

good to know

have a few of these that i think may get passed down to my grandkids at this rate  :mellow:

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #859 on: December 15, 2020, 05:24:08 PM »
  Only CWBBBW was consumed in entirty.

good to know

have a few of these that i think may get passed down to my grandkids at this rate  :mellow:

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #860 on: December 21, 2020, 01:56:00 PM »
Drank great


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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #861 on: December 21, 2020, 07:40:44 PM »
Old Stock, IIRC, is the only regularly produced American BW that I thought was worthwhile aging more than 2 years.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #862 on: December 21, 2020, 08:20:39 PM »
Old Stock, IIRC, is the only regularly produced American BW that I thought was worthwhile aging more than 2 years.

I agree on the BW front but old ales can go longer
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #863 on: December 21, 2020, 09:26:31 PM »
Old Stock, IIRC, is the only regularly produced American BW that I thought was worthwhile aging more than 2 years.
I agree on the BW front but old ales can go longer
To be clear, I meant American-made rather than the hoppier American versions.

So, I cannot think of other regularly made American versions of BW (or big Old Ales, since I don't know what the difference is) that don't take a dive after 2 years. Not Anchor, Lagunitas, Avery, Victory, Brooklyn, Bell's, or even - I know I am likely in the minority - Bigfoot.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #864 on: December 22, 2020, 09:14:20 AM »
Old Stock, IIRC, is the only regularly produced American BW that I thought was worthwhile aging more than 2 years.
I agree on the BW front but old ales can go longer
To be clear, I meant American-made rather than the hoppier American versions.

So, I cannot think of other regularly made American versions of BW (or big Old Ales, since I don't know what the difference is) that don't take a dive after 2 years. Not Anchor, Lagunitas, Avery, Victory, Brooklyn, Bell's, or even - I know I am likely in the minority - Bigfoot.
I generally draw the line betwen Old Ales and Barleywines at the amount of hops used.  BW are hoppier, and some American versions are downright hop bombs (Blue Dot, 120 Minute).  In my mind it's a very fine line between a traditional DIPA and American Barleywine, the difference is usually age.

Have you had aged versions of these? 
Hair of the Dog Fred
Hair of the Dog Adam
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #865 on: December 22, 2020, 04:25:38 PM »
Old Stock, IIRC, is the only regularly produced American BW that I thought was worthwhile aging more than 2 years.
I agree on the BW front but old ales can go longer
To be clear, I meant American-made rather than the hoppier American versions.

So, I cannot think of other regularly made American versions of BW (or big Old Ales, since I don't know what the difference is) that don't take a dive after 2 years. Not Anchor, Lagunitas, Avery, Victory, Brooklyn, Bell's, or even - I know I am likely in the minority - Bigfoot.
I generally draw the line betwen Old Ales and Barleywines at the amount of hops used.  BW are hoppier, and some American versions are downright hop bombs (Blue Dot, 120 Minute).  In my mind it's a very fine line between a traditional DIPA and American Barleywine, the difference is usually age.

Have you had aged versions of these? 
Hair of the Dog Fred
Hair of the Dog Adam
Kuhnhen 4th Dementia
Plenty of Fred. Not a fav. My belief (not sure if it is true) is that paler beers are more prone to adverse effects of aging.

Adam yes, and much better than Fred. But, technically, I don't consider it either Old Ale or BW. Stonebier? Traditional Ale? Based on German brewing rather than British.

Kuhnhenn, I wish. I guess it is technically regularly made but the distro footprint is so small.  I didn't want to add too many qualifiers in my earlier post but (in my head) I also meant regularly accessible (though, even that is not concrete).

As far as old ales and barley wines, most historians seem to agree that both were catch-all styles, not representing anything distinctive. For example:
http://zythophile.co.uk/2010/09/14/so-what-is-the-difference-between-barley-wine-and-old-ale/
https://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2015/04/barley-wine-in-1950s.html

I think nowadays, we have a pretty decent and acceptable understanding of barley wine and its hoppier American brother, even if it is not related to historical precedent. However, Old Ale is still much more variable and less accepted. I assume a lot of us are influenced by the style that Ratebeer and BeerAdvocate assigned to the classic examples (e.g., Thomas Hardy's) and the names that American breweries decided to put on the label (case in point, North Coast Old Ale). The BJCP categories are also not historically representative. But, I would argue, these common American so-called Old Ales are all the same style and I would call them all barley wine. If its is purely a hoppiness difference, it is not a style difference. Just call it American barley wine.

I'd save Old Ale for British inspired beers (so definitely not aggressive American hoppiness) that is not in the pale/bitter/mild category. It can range in abv from 5% (for example, Theakston Old Peculier or Greene King Strong Suffolk) to over 8% (who remembers the old bottles of Gale's Prize Old Ale?). I am purposefully using British examples that have been around prior to RB and BA. Basically, its just a category for beer you don't want to call some sort of pale/bitter/mild but do not want to be considered as modern day barley wine.

For American versions, I think a good use for this so-called style are atypical takes on moderate to stronger strength British beer. So, something that was aged or Solera-like aged. Or something that has a purposefully soured yet using British ingredients. Or a random strong British beer that just doesn't taste like a barley wine or ESB.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #866 on: December 22, 2020, 04:28:30 PM »
Old Stock, IIRC, is the only regularly produced American BW that I thought was worthwhile aging more than 2 years.

I've given up on aging beers at all, but have you had Central Waters BB Barleywine?

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #867 on: December 22, 2020, 04:35:23 PM »
Old Stock, IIRC, is the only regularly produced American BW that I thought was worthwhile aging more than 2 years.
I've given up on aging beers at all, but have you had Central Waters BB Barleywine?
I, too, have basically given up on aging beers. I wasted a lot of beer, space, and time on aging beers after first getting into the hobby. Though, I have a few lambics and a very select group of beers I am starting to age again (e.g. Samiclaus).  That is why I think Old Stock is such an anomaly. It is able to do something that many of its competitors (e.g., Anchor, Avery, Brooklyn) have not been able to do.

I have not had an aged Central Waters BB Barleywine. But, in general, I avoid aging barreled beers. They are already more prone to oxidation through the barrel aging process. But, I would love to hear people's experiences with all beer aging. I love that TBS has a whole sub-forum for it (I sometimes take advantage of it).

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #868 on: December 22, 2020, 04:59:49 PM »
Old Stock, IIRC, is the only regularly produced American BW that I thought was worthwhile aging more than 2 years.

I've given up on aging beers at all, but have you had Central Waters BB Barleywine?

Ask Wisconsinbeer1 about the load of cellared CWBBBW I sent him.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #869 on: January 01, 2021, 03:07:45 PM »
2011 Bush Prestige de Nuits

This was aged in a store but far from sunlight. This is wine barrel aged and the barrels are starting to turn the beer sour, in a good way.  Tastes like a blend of flemish red and Belgian barleywine. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #870 on: January 27, 2021, 02:11:23 AM »
2002 JW Lee's Harvest Ale. Too old. You could convince yourself its good but the cardboard overwhelmed the chocolate notes. Bought this from a store (Max's). Was hard to finish half the bottle.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #871 on: March 02, 2021, 01:32:55 PM »
Killed a couple oldies on New Year's Eve


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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #872 on: March 02, 2021, 01:37:13 PM »
Killed a couple oldies on New Year's Eve


Hanssens Mead the Gueuze (2001)
Destihl Clarice (2014)
Jolly Pumpkin Biere de Mars Grand Reserve (2010)
JW Lees Port Cask (2006)
Anchor Old Foghorn (2004)

One of my all time favorite Barelywines.
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #873 on: March 02, 2021, 02:24:19 PM »
Killed a couple oldies on New Year's Eve


Hanssens Mead the Gueuze (2001)
Destihl Clarice (2014)
Jolly Pumpkin Biere de Mars Grand Reserve (2010)
JW Lees Port Cask (2006)
Anchor Old Foghorn (2004)

One of my all time favorite Barelywines.
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How was it?
Held up better than the JW Lees.  Drinks more like an Old Ale at this point because the hops are just about gone.

Still have a couple bottles.
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #874 on: March 02, 2021, 02:44:00 PM »
Killed a couple oldies on New Year's Eve


Hanssens Mead the Gueuze (2001)
Destihl Clarice (2014)
Jolly Pumpkin Biere de Mars Grand Reserve (2010)
JW Lees Port Cask (2006)
Anchor Old Foghorn (2004)

One of my all time favorite Barelywines.
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How was it?
Held up better than the JW Lees.  Drinks more like an Old Ale at this point because the hops are just about gone.

Still have a couple bottles.
Oh man I still have one of these from 1993 or 94
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #875 on: March 02, 2021, 11:29:53 PM »
I have a super old Old FOghorn I think,  I’m not even sure the date
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #876 on: March 26, 2021, 05:02:27 PM »
i've got 06 and 07 dark lords.

I assume this is just soy sauce at this point?
i'm not good at putting this stuff in words but i can't see myself with anyone else except maybe urbanhack.

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« Reply #877 on: March 26, 2021, 05:04:13 PM »
i've got 06 and 07 dark lords.

I assume this is just soy sauce at this point?

might work as lube

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #878 on: September 05, 2021, 09:22:27 PM »


Off the self, couldn't get through it all. Already too oxidized.
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #879 on: September 05, 2021, 11:08:15 PM »
Yeah, American barley wines aren’t my preferred aging beer.  But 2018 should still hold up
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« Reply #880 on: September 05, 2021, 11:22:33 PM »
But 2018 should still hold up
That's what I was thinking.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #881 on: September 07, 2021, 08:02:28 AM »
Yesterday I cracked open an original natch Capital Eisphyre and 2010 CW BB BW. Both still drinking well. :banned:
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #882 on: September 07, 2021, 11:33:41 AM »
Yeah, American barley wines aren’t my preferred aging beer.  But 2018 should still hold up

Adam and Fred age soooooooo beautifully, though.  This one is just too hoppy.
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #883 on: September 15, 2021, 01:23:03 PM »
Stay tuned for a bunch of drain pours from smellys cellar Friday...
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #884 on: September 15, 2021, 04:40:52 PM »
Stay tuned for a bunch of drain pours from smellys cellar Friday...

understandable but a damn shame
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #885 on: September 17, 2021, 09:56:53 AM »
Stay tuned for a bunch of drain pours from smellys cellar Friday...
I am excited!

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #886 on: September 17, 2021, 10:47:13 AM »
 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #887 on: September 17, 2021, 10:48:51 AM »
smelly's lambic was always great :thumbup:

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #888 on: September 17, 2021, 11:01:12 AM »
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I hope they don't wait till after noon to start drinking. What a waste of a Friday  :banned:

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #889 on: September 17, 2021, 11:04:39 AM »
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I hope they don't wait till after noon to start drinking. What a waste of a Friday  :banned:
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #890 on: September 17, 2021, 11:06:52 AM »
Might still be Thursday in Alaska, not sure...
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #891 on: September 17, 2021, 11:27:46 AM »
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I hope they don't wait till after noon to start drinking. What a waste of a Friday  :banned:

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #892 on: September 17, 2021, 02:59:48 PM »
2015 GI BB Barleywine just went in the fridge

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #893 on: September 17, 2021, 03:21:44 PM »
Stuff has been picked out.  Combination of questionable homebrew and pre 2010 beers.  The days of drinking all day are far behind me and I have to wait for someone who drinks to show up.....
Gilly> this is totally murdering my unicorn blood boner

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #894 on: November 12, 2021, 01:39:08 PM »
Did an interesting comparison with a 10 year old Tilquin Oude Gueuze and a "fresh" one. The older one didn't taste "old" at all, little to no oxidation, and was maybe a little more refined. Both had a similar tropical fruit/peachy character, while the newer one had more sulfur in the aroma. Seemed to reinforce the idea that aging works in this specific case.

I've had aged gueuze from Cantillon and Girardin that were (occasionally) much more oxidized. I think beyond 5-10 years isn't really necessary, but can be fun for the novelty of it.

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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #895 on: November 12, 2021, 06:55:13 PM »
Nice. I still have 1 10-11 label Tilquin Oude Gueuze and 1 of the first batch of Tilquin^2.
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Re: Kill-The-Cellar Week
« Reply #896 on: November 13, 2021, 12:28:13 AM »
Nice. I still have 1 10-11 label Tilquin Oude Gueuze and 1 of the first batch of Tilquin^2.

Had the Tilquin Squared not long ago and it’s great right now too.