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Holland, MI
« on: June 20, 2018, 10:19:30 PM »
heading to Holland for the 4th. looks like lots of options for food and drink.

what are the highlights? (aside from New Holland, of course)


we'll also be going to Founders for drinks one day and will be looking for dinner in GR.

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2018, 11:37:58 PM »
We go up to Holland every other year to visit family. There's not a lot in the immediate vicinity. New Holland is worth a visit. They usually have some really good cocktails, some decent pub only beers, and solid pub food.

I still haven't found a decent beer shop. The grocery stores do have a decent selection. Be careful at party stores because some of those beers have been sitting on the shelf for a long time.

Butch's has some really good food. More wine/cocktail focused. There's a pizza place called Crust or something like that... it's worth it.

A trip down the road to Sagutuck is worth the time for some classic western MI lake town tourism.

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2018, 08:17:29 AM »
You could stop in Bridgman on the way at Transient, there's an awesome deli spot nearby, Thewimperoo can fill in the details. Bridgman Meat Market I think.

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2018, 08:55:27 AM »
Which way are you going?  :mellow:

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2018, 09:19:30 AM »
:thumbup:  looks like we are going to try and check out Saugutuck and/or Muskegon as well. this is intended to be pretty low key so we're not looking for anything wacky.

just a quality break & new things to see and do.



we're going south through Chicago. pass on the 14 hour trip of we go north.
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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2018, 09:25:29 AM »
:thumbup:  looks like we are going to try and check out Saugutuck and/or Muskegon as well. this is intended to be pretty low key so we're not looking for anything wacky.

just a quality break & new things to see and do.



we're going south through Chicago. pass on the 14 hour trip of we go north.

Chicago traffic:  Hold my beer...

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2018, 09:28:40 AM »
:thumbup:  looks like we are going to try and check out Saugutuck and/or Muskegon as well. this is intended to be pretty low key so we're not looking for anything wacky.

just a quality break & new things to see and do.



we're going south through Chicago. pass on the 14 hour trip of we go north.

Chicago traffic:  Hold my beer...

thankfully we're going through around 9 PM or so. should be................. OK  :unsure:
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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2018, 09:38:25 AM »

we're going south through Chicago. pass on the 14 hour trip of we go north.

SS Badger down?

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2018, 10:48:40 AM »

we're going south through Chicago. pass on the 14 hour trip of we go north.

SS Badger down?

seasickness is way up
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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2018, 11:10:58 AM »

we're going south through Chicago. pass on the 14 hour trip of we go north.

SS Badger down?

seasickness is way up

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2018, 11:19:56 AM »
heading to Holland for the 4th. looks like lots of options for food and drink.

what are the highlights? (aside from New Holland, of course)


we'll also be going to Founders for drinks one day and will be looking for dinner in GR.

TIA

Give me a couple food types and price range\atmosphere you'd like for food in GR, lot's of great options here.

Also, there is a place in Saugatuck that I haven't been to yet, but the foodies are high on it.  It's called the Southerner and supposed to be amazing southern food if that's your thing.

I'd also agree with Bridgman, Transient, Haymarket and Tapistry and are all there.

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2018, 11:45:19 AM »
Southern food is definitely my thing  :thumbup: putting this on the list.


i'd say anything under $150 for a family of four is fair game. i'd like to get a nice dinner at least one night. kids are fairly picky so the restaurant should have at least kid friendly options.

i want good breakfast, so best breakfast in town... divey.. nice.. doesn't matter.
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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2018, 10:11:07 PM »
Foodie breakfast - The Biscuit

Good ol traditional greasy spoon breakfast - probably a coin flip between Windmill and Wooden Shoe.

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2018, 10:40:49 PM »
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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2018, 11:11:36 PM »
We're big fans of Marie Catrib's in GR. Great for breakfast or lunch. Middle Eastern leaning but do everything well. Right by Vivant.

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2018, 11:35:25 PM »
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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2018, 02:22:48 AM »
Southern food is definitely my thing  :thumbup: putting this on the list.


i'd say anything under $150 for a family of four is fair game. i'd like to get a nice dinner at least one night. kids are fairly picky so the restaurant should have at least kid friendly options.

i want good breakfast, so best breakfast in town... divey.. nice.. doesn't matter.

Southern Food?  In Michigan?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2018, 08:47:58 AM »
Southern food is definitely my thing  :thumbup: putting this on the list.


i'd say anything under $150 for a family of four is fair game. i'd like to get a nice dinner at least one night. kids are fairly picky so the restaurant should have at least kid friendly options.

i want good breakfast, so best breakfast in town... divey.. nice.. doesn't matter.

Southern Food?  In Michigan?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well, there's plenty of confederate flags in Michigan, so ...  :mellow:

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2018, 09:16:46 AM »
Southern food is definitely my thing  :thumbup: putting this on the list.


i'd say anything under $150 for a family of four is fair game. i'd like to get a nice dinner at least one night. kids are fairly picky so the restaurant should have at least kid friendly options.

i want good breakfast, so best breakfast in town... divey.. nice.. doesn't matter.

Southern Food?  In Michigan?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


we'll take what we can get  :mellow:
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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2018, 03:48:49 AM »
Southern food is definitely my thing  :thumbup: putting this on the list.


i'd say anything under $150 for a family of four is fair game. i'd like to get a nice dinner at least one night. kids are fairly picky so the restaurant should have at least kid friendly options.

i want good breakfast, so best breakfast in town... divey.. nice.. doesn't matter.

Southern Food?  In Michigan?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


we'll take what we can get  :mellow:
well you know, its got to be kinda like these idiots in Brooklyn claiming they know what BBQ is...
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2018/03/07/brooklyn-barbecue-taking-world-bless-hearts

and seriously, you Yankees have some food traditions to be proud of... why the need for cultural appropriations of ours?   :lol:
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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2018, 04:40:18 PM »
We're big fans of Marie Catrib's in GR. Great for breakfast or lunch. Middle Eastern leaning but do everything well. Right by Vivant.

This place is great, but IMO, best breakfast in town is Real Food Cafe, they have 2 locations and both are great!  Wolfgangs and Westsider Cafe are also amazing options, IMO.

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2018, 04:47:54 PM »
Southern food is definitely my thing  :thumbup: putting this on the list.


i'd say anything under $150 for a family of four is fair game. i'd like to get a nice dinner at least one night. kids are fairly picky so the restaurant should have at least kid friendly options.

i want good breakfast, so best breakfast in town... divey.. nice.. doesn't matter.

Southern Food?  In Michigan?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


we'll take what we can get  :mellow:
well you know, its got to be kinda like these idiots in Brooklyn claiming they know what BBQ is...
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2018/03/07/brooklyn-barbecue-taking-world-bless-hearts

and seriously, you Yankees have some food traditions to be proud of... why the need for cultural appropriations of ours?   :lol:

Uhh, cause it's delicious!  We also have had some really good BBQ places making a name for themselves here.  Pit Stop BBQ is one that was just featured on some food network show last week.  It's kinda like beer, it's your traditions and you do it the best, but it's great, so for others to share it is awesome, IMO.

For a nice dinner in GR that's kid friendly, there are a few places IMO, I will get back to you on this one.  Since we've move north of GR, it's limited some of the go to places, I will chew on it, and get back with some suggestions.

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2018, 07:46:11 PM »
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and seriously, you Yankees have some food traditions to be proud of... why the need for cultural appropriations of ours?   :lol:

Well we did win the war.

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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2018, 11:36:24 PM »
Best advice - stay the hell out of my state.  >:(

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2018, 10:29:56 AM »
Southern food is definitely my thing  :thumbup: putting this on the list.


i'd say anything under $150 for a family of four is fair game. i'd like to get a nice dinner at least one night. kids are fairly picky so the restaurant should have at least kid friendly options.

i want good breakfast, so best breakfast in town... divey.. nice.. doesn't matter.

Southern Food?  In Michigan?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


we'll take what we can get  :mellow:
well you know, its got to be kinda like these idiots in Brooklyn claiming they know what BBQ is...
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2018/03/07/brooklyn-barbecue-taking-world-bless-hearts

and seriously, you Yankees have some food traditions to be proud of... why the need for cultural appropriations of ours?   :lol:
I realize this was tongue in cheek, but... ;)

People do migrate and bring traditions with them too... "Chicago BBQ" wouldn't be a thing without the passed down traditions from the southern diaspora. Sure, there are plenty of pretenders too, that happens with any popular food trend.

To be fair, Fette Sau has been around for 10+ years, long before the Vice article came along touting "Brooklyn BBQ" as a thing. They have employed pit masters from Texas and KC, and the owner also wrote a book about BBQ, if seriousness of craft was in ever in doubt. I've heard reports that it isn't quite what it once was though, and that brisket linked above does look a little sad.


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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2018, 10:47:59 AM »
i've eaten KC BBQ

i'll try this Michigan BBQ in a week or so and let you all know if Northern BBQ is definitively better than Southern based on my extensive research in to the matter
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2018, 11:00:18 AM »
i've eaten KC BBQ

i'll try this Michigan BBQ in a week or so and let you all know if Northern BBQ is definitively better than Southern based on my extensive research in to the matter
KC bbq :thumbup:
The rest of your post... :scared: :lol:

Looking at their website, it sounds like there was a migrant community in MI that moved from Appalachia/TN in the 50's to work in the auto industry, and they brought cooking traditions with them.

Menu sounds pretty damn good, imho.

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In the 1950’s many Appalachian families moved to Michigan seeking work in the auto industry. It’s a familiar story to many people with roots in the American South, and we strive to tell part of this story through our meals.

Cooking is a serious business in the South and the traditional flavor resides within the relocated sons and daughters that now call Michigan home. The Southerner hopes to keep that tradition alive for generations to come.

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2018, 11:17:10 AM »
looks pretty tasty

i'm aiming to try at least 3-5 entrees at each meal to get a truly full experience. it's vacation. all bets are off.
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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2018, 02:43:28 PM »
Southern food is definitely my thing  :thumbup: putting this on the list.


i'd say anything under $150 for a family of four is fair game. i'd like to get a nice dinner at least one night. kids are fairly picky so the restaurant should have at least kid friendly options.

i want good breakfast, so best breakfast in town... divey.. nice.. doesn't matter.

Southern Food?  In Michigan?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


we'll take what we can get  :mellow:
well you know, its got to be kinda like these idiots in Brooklyn claiming they know what BBQ is...
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2018/03/07/brooklyn-barbecue-taking-world-bless-hearts

and seriously, you Yankees have some food traditions to be proud of... why the need for cultural appropriations of ours?   :lol:
I realize this was tongue in cheek, but... ;)

People do migrate and bring traditions with them too... "Chicago BBQ" wouldn't be a thing without the passed down traditions from the southern diaspora. Sure, there are plenty of pretenders too, that happens with any popular food trend.

To be fair, Fette Sau has been around for 10+ years, long before the Vice article came along touting "Brooklyn BBQ" as a thing. They have employed pit masters from Texas and KC, and the owner also wrote a book about BBQ, if seriousness of craft was in ever in doubt. I've heard reports that it isn't quite what it once was though, and that brisket linked above does look a little sad.
It was indeed tongue in cheek, if you know me, you would know anytime I use the vernacular of social justice warriors (cultural appropriation) I'm as far from being serious as possible...
its double points day today at the local cheese steak sammich place, I think I'll go have a Philly Cheese steak made by rednecks...
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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2018, 02:49:40 PM »
Southern food is definitely my thing  :thumbup: putting this on the list.


i'd say anything under $150 for a family of four is fair game. i'd like to get a nice dinner at least one night. kids are fairly picky so the restaurant should have at least kid friendly options.

i want good breakfast, so best breakfast in town... divey.. nice.. doesn't matter.

Southern Food?  In Michigan?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


we'll take what we can get  :mellow:
well you know, its got to be kinda like these idiots in Brooklyn claiming they know what BBQ is...
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/2018/03/07/brooklyn-barbecue-taking-world-bless-hearts

and seriously, you Yankees have some food traditions to be proud of... why the need for cultural appropriations of ours?   :lol:
I realize this was tongue in cheek, but... ;)

People do migrate and bring traditions with them too... "Chicago BBQ" wouldn't be a thing without the passed down traditions from the southern diaspora. Sure, there are plenty of pretenders too, that happens with any popular food trend.

To be fair, Fette Sau has been around for 10+ years, long before the Vice article came along touting "Brooklyn BBQ" as a thing. They have employed pit masters from Texas and KC, and the owner also wrote a book about BBQ, if seriousness of craft was in ever in doubt. I've heard reports that it isn't quite what it once was though, and that brisket linked above does look a little sad.
It was indeed tongue in cheek, if you know me, you would know anytime I use the vernacular of social justice warriors (cultural appropriation) I'm as far from being serious as possible...
its double points day today at the local cheese steak sammich place, I think I'll go have a Philly Cheese steak made by rednecks...

I had an Indiana Mexican Philly cheesesteak for lunch.

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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2018, 11:43:21 AM »
well, this was glorious

downtown Holland is great. tons of shops, lots of places to eat and drink. great people watching. vibrant well in to the late evening. Tunnel beach was a rugged climb but the water was great and the beach not crowded.

we visited Muskegon for the art festival. spent a solid 4 hours there wandering and enjoying the weather.

got to Grand Rapids for the zoo and a stop at Founders.

made it to Grand Haven for a day at the beach (right after they had let people back out in the water post-body recovery :( ) and checked out Saugatuck.


really feel like we made the right choice in picking a central location to the rest of the beach towns. everything we wanted to do was within 30-40 minutes drive at the furthest. we're planning to go back and spend more time in Saugatuck as we only caught that on Sunday and at that just for a few hours.


tried to get to the Southerner a couple times but couldn't make it work out. we got there on Sunday around 11 and were told "we're almost out of food and there's a 90 minute wait"................
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« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2018, 12:41:26 PM »
Where did you stay?
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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2018, 02:35:13 PM »
Where did you stay?

just outside Holland proper
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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2018, 04:33:46 PM »
Hotel? Airbnb? Link?

Looking to go to that area in i the next few months.
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« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2018, 04:55:46 PM »
Hotel? Airbnb? Link?

Looking to go to that area in i the next few months.

https://www.holland.org/hotels/holiday-inn-express

nice place. it's a hotel. a little outside of the touristy area of Holland which drives the price down but still only about a 8-10 minute drive to 8th Street which is where all the shops are located.

there's a Hampton and a Fairfield in the same strip. there's a Marriott right on 8th street that would be ideal but we couldn't get in there. we didn't research VRBO or Airbnb.

Holland is centrally located - 1 hr to Kalamazoo, 45 to Grand Rapids, about 20 to Grand Haven, 35 to Muskegon, 15 to Saugatuck.  if we went again we'd stay in Holland and day trip from there.. probably spending more time in Saugatuck. 


depends what you're after. with the wife & kids we were primarily shopping and swimming. lots of good food on 8th street. we ate at Hops at 84 East twice and loved everything. terrific tap list. i drank Bell's Coffee's On and Bell's Bear Hugs but they also had Black note '16 & '17, 30th Anniversary, Sweet Potato Stout and a host of other options that made picking a couple really difficult.

we stopped at Kilwan's for chocolate and/or ice cream every day. kids are addicted. breakfast at the hotel every day except Saturday when we went to The Biscuit. i had the migas. would recommend. bit of a wait there but it's on Washington Square which has a few small shops to wander around in while waiting for a table. a chocolate spot, a grocery/market, art gallery, a deli place. easy to kill time.

Tunnel Beach in Holland is nice if you don't mind hiking up and down a bit of a hill (w/ steps) to get to the Lake. we didn't do the State Park there.. we intended to catch the 4th of July fireworks out there but it was blazing hot and we were really, really tired at the end of the first day.

Grand Haven was nice. big beach area that was pretty popular. $9 to park. shops and restaurants are more or less right off the beach. we tried a place called The Paisley Pig on recommendations but left disappointed. 45 minute wait for a table. all of which i spent at the busy, but not crazy, bar waiting for the disinterested bartenders to ask if i needed help. then another 30 after we sat & ordered drinks from the server to finally get a tap beer. then another 30 to get our food.... which was good but not worth the hassle. lots of other choices in town, we just chose poorly.

Saugatuck had more of a northwoods lake town feel. but was very condensed and had a lot of shopping available. quaint and easily walkable. lots of lake based options. The Southerner is the food draw there, apparently. it was absolutely jammed but smelled............... amazing. when i emailed to ask if they would possibly be open on the 4th or on Sunday & if so, would reservations be recommended, they responded "if you get here right at 9 AM when we open and stand in line you shouldn't have much of a wait".  we ate at a place called Lucy's near the water. brisket sandwich & an All Day really made for a nice lunch. others recommended eating at Phil's for burgers/lunch type fare.


Grand Rapids zoo was cool. kids loved it. drawback:  it's carved out of the side of a Himalayan mountain so a bit rough on the legs after a few hours on a hot day. we hit Founders and Vivant there.

Founders space was pretty cool. really big. plenty of space to sit so should never be a wait. indoor/outdoor seating. Vivant was surprisingly bigger on the inside than i had imagined. we didn't have to wait for a table even though we got there around 7. looked like some wait for seating after that but nothing major.


Muskegon's art festival was nice. we didn't see much of the greater town. kind of just breezed in and out. there's a waterpark/amusement park with some coasters near there called Michigan Adventure if you're in to that. my kids aren't. maybe when they get a bit older.


we didn't make it to South Haven or St. Joseph which also looked fairly interesting but we had plenty to do in the spots we did hit.
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Re: Holland, MI
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2018, 05:00:50 PM »
eta: lots of IL plates around the various towns. heard a number of people talk about coming in from Chicago. i can see why. probably a 2'ish hour drive if traffic is good.

tourist prices are probably not different than what you're used to paying for meals, beers, etc. every day already. for us it was a bit high but nothing shocking.



we went in to the trip with an idea that it would be like a sort of Door County but maybe not quite as good. it was better, imo. better beaches, better shopping, better food. the towns that are within range of each other were more interesting than, say, staying in Fish Creek and branching out to Ephraim, Egg Harbor, etc.




etaa:  didn't find a good liquor store in town but didn't really need a "premium" place to shop as pretty much any store that sold beer had things i'd never seen before.

New Holland is right on 8th street. people said the food wasn't great so we didn't eat there but it was a cool space right on the corner with a nice gift shop.

right next door is Our Brewing Co. didn't try their beers. Big Lake Brewing is a block over on 7th. i had a couple of their beers and they were solid.

you can get a "passport" mailed to you (https://www.holland.org/handcrafted-passport) to get some detail on breweries in the area. kind of a nice little touch. i had one sent to me with the idea that maybe places would be close but unknown to us... but they're all pretty obvious. you can't miss New Holland.
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« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2018, 11:51:58 PM »
New Holland's brewpub used to have a solid menu... I wasn't too impressed on our last trip. Definitely need to check out the Hops restaurant when we're up for Thanksgiving.

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« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2018, 09:09:26 AM »
New Holland's brewpub used to have a solid menu... I wasn't too impressed on our last trip. Definitely need to check out the Hops restaurant when we're up for Thanksgiving.

can vouch for Hops' pizzas and the brisket sandwich that was on when we were there

beer list was pretty top notch. usually i can quickly narrow down to 1 or 2 beers and make a decision in a minute or less.  had to spend a solid 10 staring at my options and waffling between a dozen choices.
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So how was the trip overall?
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So how was the trip overall?

solid A experience

worst part was traffic on the way home but that was expected
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So how was the trip overall?

solid A experience

worst part was traffic on the way home but that was expected

Tell me more.
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« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2018, 03:23:54 PM »
wimp>  i forgot about Butch's

higher end, white linen, $35+ plate dinner place right on 8th. wanted to go there but didn't seem kid friendly. you can walk in there and buy beer to go by the single. that was the best to-go spot i found if you wanted to pick through bottles.

good looked really good. thought you might be interested.
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So how was the trip overall?

solid A experience

worst part was traffic on the way home but that was expected

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So how was the trip overall?

solid A experience

worst part was traffic on the way home but that was expected

Tell me more.

well, google maps showed long stretches of red & black traffic so we opted to go south through Valparaiso, Merrillville and Schererville to avoid the backups around Gary.. would not recommend.

Heading through that area next week.  Other than avoiding Chicagoland altogether between 6 am and 8 pm, any way to get through there without committing murder/suicide?

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« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2018, 02:51:23 PM »
So how was the trip overall?

solid A experience

worst part was traffic on the way home but that was expected

Tell me more.

well, google maps showed long stretches of red & black traffic so we opted to go south through Valparaiso, Merrillville and Schererville to avoid the backups around Gary.. would not recommend.

Heading through that area next week.  Other than avoiding Chicagoland altogether between 6 am and 8 pm, any way to get through there without committing murder/suicide?

Go up through the U.P.?

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« Reply #46 on: July 11, 2018, 03:06:31 PM »
So how was the trip overall?

solid A experience

worst part was traffic on the way home but that was expected

Tell me more.

well, google maps showed long stretches of red & black traffic so we opted to go south through Valparaiso, Merrillville and Schererville to avoid the backups around Gary.. would not recommend.

Heading through that area next week.  Other than avoiding Chicagoland altogether between 6 am and 8 pm, any way to get through there without committing murder/suicide?

Go up through the U.P.?

I would if we were going to MI, but we are heading south to Columbus, OH.

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« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2018, 03:39:01 PM »
take 294 instead of 94?

it was a breeze for us going south. we got there around 8'ish.

it's really just rush hour that fucks everything up in my experience. time it so you aren't there between 4-6:30 PM and you'll be good.
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« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2018, 04:15:35 PM »

it was a breeze for us going south. we got there around 8'ish.


8 pm, I assume?  No way it would be a breeze during morning commute time.

Still trying to figure out when to leave.  Don't really want to drive at night and have an extra hotel night along with way, but if we leave in the AM I'm pretty sure the traffic is going to suck.

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« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2018, 04:28:12 PM »
yeah, 8pm.  we left here a bit after 5.

if you left GB at 8 AM and got to Chicago at 11 AM you'll fly through going on 294. go through the iPass lanes and just pay online afterwards.
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